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Standing rigging measurements

Kim Chapman
 

I'm having my standing rigging replaced this season. The "to-remain-nameless" boatyard I'm at will charge me a $250 contractor fee for the rigger to enter the yard to measure the rigging. I'm obviously naive about these kind of charges but it seems a bit steep for what amounts to one hour for someone with a tape to measure the mast while it's off the boat in a rack (I'm in a Cat5 yard so the stick comes down each season).

I have to believe that these measurements are in a database somewhere. Are there reliable measurements out there that I can simply give to the rigger to use to make the new rigging?

Cheers....

Kim Chapman
C400 #249
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Re: Anchor roller replacement

Roger Calvert
 

Kim,

 

MarineDepotDirect.com

Item

Sku

Qty

1210U - Delrin Wheel 4" Diameter, 4" Width, 5/8" Center Hole

1210U

2

 

This worked for me.

Roger J L Calvert

SV Surprise #276

 

From: Kim Chapman
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:14 AM
To: C400 Forum C400 Forum
Subject: [C400] Anchor roller replacement

 

I want to replace one of the anchor rollers and am struggling to find a supplier. My primary motivation is to have a roller with a "chain groove" in it. I'm hoping this will help reduce the amount of chain twisting that I experience.

I am also considering machining a grove into the existing roller but not sure how practical this is.

I launch the boat in early January and am hoping to have a solution in place prior to leaving Toronto....

Kim Chapman
C400 #249
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C320 #416
No Problem


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Re: Anchor roller replacement

Jim King
 

Could somebody please post a picture of this “chain slot” that is being discussed?

 

Thanks.

 

Cheers,

Jim King

“Kashmir” (#335)

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of 4speedfunk
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 6:19 AM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [C400] Anchor roller replacement

 

Like several others, I could not find a replacement roller that would fit without modification.  So, I bought a 6" bar of UV-resistant black Delrin (4" O.D.) from McMaster-Carr and made my own...

https://www.mcmaster.com/8497K115/

I work in a machine shop and have access to lathe, so it was not a big deal.  The chain slot is must in my opinion...it keeps the chain/rode from ramping up the side of the roller and making a bunch of noise when anchored in wind/currents.  I do not feel the chain slot in the roller has any effect on "twist" of the chain.  I think that is probably your swivel (or lack of).  I tried a Maxwelll swivel and it worked great for about two months.  Soon after it started to corrode and stick.  I would take it apart and lubricate it about once a month...eventually realizing its a total piece of $hit.  Get a Mantus swivel...much better design.

Let me know if you cannot find a roller to your liking.  Send me a sketch of dimensions via email, and I can make you a custom one (or several).


Re: Anchor roller replacement

4speedfunk
 

Like several others, I could not find a replacement roller that would fit without modification.  So, I bought a 6" bar of UV-resistant black Delrin (4" O.D.) from McMaster-Carr and made my own...

https://www.mcmaster.com/8497K115/

I work in a machine shop and have access to lathe, so it was not a big deal.  The chain slot is must in my opinion...it keeps the chain/rode from ramping up the side of the roller and making a bunch of noise when anchored in wind/currents.  I do not feel the chain slot in the roller has any effect on "twist" of the chain.  I think that is probably your swivel (or lack of).  I tried a Maxwelll swivel and it worked great for about two months.  Soon after it started to corrode and stick.  I would take it apart and lubricate it about once a month...eventually realizing its a total piece of $hit.  Get a Mantus swivel...much better design.

Let me know if you cannot find a roller to your liking.  Send me a sketch of dimensions via email, and I can make you a custom one (or several).


Re: Anchor roller replacement

Tim Francis
 

I’m using a bow roller from a trailer with washers on the sides. One of my big white ones cracked off. I coukdnt ever find the right replacement. 

On Dec 2, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Lee Gerig <keelingtime1@...> wrote:



Hi Kim

 

I bought one from the Chandlery in Ottawa several years ago and it has performed well.   (here is the link https://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=10033) I am not sure of which particular model (328079 or 328069) because I am not at the boat.  It was a bit short, about ½ inch I think but I bought some large fender washer for each side and there was no problem.

 

As a caution, when the original roller failed, I purchased one from Princess Auto which fit very well, but completely failed in less than 1 season – don’t bother looking at their stuff for this application.

 

Hope you find what you are looking for

 

Cheers

 

Lee

S/V Keelingtime  #262

 

 

From: <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> on behalf of Kim Chapman <kim.chapman@...>
Reply-To: <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:14 PM
To: C400 Forum C400 Forum <c400@catalina400-445.groups.io>
Subject: [C400] Anchor roller replacement

 

I want to replace one of the anchor rollers and am struggling to find a supplier. My primary motivation is to have a roller with a "chain groove" in it. I'm hoping this will help reduce the amount of chain twisting that I experience.

I am also considering machining a grove into the existing roller but not sure how practical this is.

I launch the boat in early January and am hoping to have a solution in place prior to leaving Toronto....

Kim Chapman
C400 #249
Quiescence

C320 #416
No Problem


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Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


Re: Anchor roller replacement

Lee Gerig
 

Hi Kim

 

I bought one from the Chandlery in Ottawa several years ago and it has performed well.   (here is the link https://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=10033) I am not sure of which particular model (328079 or 328069) because I am not at the boat.  It was a bit short, about ½ inch I think but I bought some large fender washer for each side and there was no problem.

 

As a caution, when the original roller failed, I purchased one from Princess Auto which fit very well, but completely failed in less than 1 season – don’t bother looking at their stuff for this application.

 

Hope you find what you are looking for

 

Cheers

 

Lee

S/V Keelingtime  #262

 

 

From: <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> on behalf of Kim Chapman <kim.chapman@...>
Reply-To: <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:14 PM
To: C400 Forum C400 Forum <c400@catalina400-445.groups.io>
Subject: [C400] Anchor roller replacement

 

I want to replace one of the anchor rollers and am struggling to find a supplier. My primary motivation is to have a roller with a "chain groove" in it. I'm hoping this will help reduce the amount of chain twisting that I experience.

I am also considering machining a grove into the existing roller but not sure how practical this is.

I launch the boat in early January and am hoping to have a solution in place prior to leaving Toronto....

Kim Chapman
C400 #249
Quiescence

C320 #416
No Problem


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Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


Re: Anchor roller replacement

Doug Burr
 

Hi all, I looked at the roller from Catalina Direct, it was expensive and didn’t have a slot to align the chain. I found a replacement at a local marine store which had a groove for the chain and was 5/8” . It was cheap. The only issue was it was a bit narrow so I made a couple of discs out of Starboard for each side. They filled the gap and help the roller to spin. 
Doug Burr # 104


On Dec 2, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Ken <kdg_1@...> wrote:

Kim,

One of these will work.  Not sure of your width but the bore is 5/8".

https://www.marinedepotdirect.com/anchor-roller-replacement-wheels.html

Ken


Re: Anchor roller replacement

Ken
 

Kim,

One of these will work.  Not sure of your width but the bore is 5/8".

https://www.marinedepotdirect.com/anchor-roller-replacement-wheels.html

Ken


Anchor roller replacement

Kim Chapman
 

I want to replace one of the anchor rollers and am struggling to find a supplier. My primary motivation is to have a roller with a "chain groove" in it. I'm hoping this will help reduce the amount of chain twisting that I experience.

I am also considering machining a grove into the existing roller but not sure how practical this is.

I launch the boat in early January and am hoping to have a solution in place prior to leaving Toronto....

Kim Chapman
C400 #249
Quiescence

C320 #416
No Problem


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Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Frank Falcone
 

Hi Ben:

 

GREAT!! …looking forward to receiving photographs!

 

Regards,

Frank, SILVER EAGLE #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Cage via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 3:50 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

 

I am going to order a scope for the iPhone, I think it's about $30, maybe this will help.  Hopefully I will have some more info with in a week or so.  I will take pictures if anyone wants to see them.

Thanks!

Ben

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 01:32 PM, Tom Sokoloski wrote:

If you haven't taken out the medicine cabinet(s), you should, even if only to satisfy your curiosity! Very easy to do. One screw in each corner. 

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Ben Cage
 

I am going to order a scope for the iPhone, I think it's about $30, maybe this will help.  Hopefully I will have some more info with in a week or so.  I will take pictures if anyone wants to see them.

Thanks!

Ben


On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 01:32 PM, Tom Sokoloski wrote:
If you haven't taken out the medicine cabinet(s), you should, even if only to satisfy your curiosity! Very easy to do. One screw in each corner. 
 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Tom Sokoloski
 

Ben,
While you are at it, I assume you have taken off the inspection panel below the nav station?  Between the panel in the shower and the panel below the nav station, you can almost see all of the hose, IIRC. With bright flashlights, you should be able to at least look at the hose. But then again, any chaffe spots wouldn't be on the top of the hose, which is visible!  :-)

Frank,
If you haven't taken out the medicine cabinet(s), you should, even if only to satisfy your curiosity! Very easy to do. One screw in each corner. 

Tom Soko
Juniper #307
Noank, CT 
On the hard in Glastonbury, CT

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Frank Falcone
 

…pulling out the medicine cabinet, hmmmmmmmmm. Take and share some pictures!

 

Regards,

Frank

SILVER EAGLE, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Cage via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 4:20 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

 

Thank you all for the insight.  We haven't pulled out the medicine cabinet, but we plan to do so on the next trip to the boat.  We looked behind the panel in the shower compartment and didn't see anything unusual or any leaks.  We are hoping it is something simple that we can see behind the medicine cabinet.  Water travels in unusual ways in boats.  I will update if we find the problem so someone in the future may know what to look for.  If we can't find the problem we will be changing the hose and possibly the vent early this spring.

Thanks,

Ben


Re: Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Ben Cage
 

Thank you all for the insight.  We haven't pulled out the medicine cabinet, but we plan to do so on the next trip to the boat.  We looked behind the panel in the shower compartment and didn't see anything unusual or any leaks.  We are hoping it is something simple that we can see behind the medicine cabinet.  Water travels in unusual ways in boats.  I will update if we find the problem so someone in the future may know what to look for.  If we can't find the problem we will be changing the hose and possibly the vent early this spring.

Thanks,

Ben


Re: [EXTERNAL] [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Frank Falcone
 

Hi Ben & Austin:

 

If the connections are dry, it sounds like a leak in the hose. Tighten all hose clamps. If that doesn’t solve the problem, pull and replace the hose. Perhaps, the hose is ‘chafing’ on something behind the Chart Table.

 

…just a thought.

 

Regards,

Frank

SILVER EAGLE, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Cage via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 10:42 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

 

Hello Group.

We just purchased "Jazzy", a 400-MkII, Hull number 306 a couple of months ago.  We previously owned a Catalina 28MkII and loved her, but we needed more space.  We were members of the 28 owners group and they were an incredibly helpful group of people and we were happy to join the 400 group and hope to meet some of you one day.

We are getting Jazzy ready for the Spring and noticed a leak (waste water) between the aft head and the aft head holding tank that's draining into the bilge.  After pulling wall panels, floor panels and running a few tests, we have found the leak coming from behind the wall under the chart table when we are running the aft Raritan head toilet pump.  After looking at the schematics, we are scratching our head trying to figure out how this is possible and what actions we can do to fix it.  We are contemplating replacing the holding tank hose but we aren't sure how that could be the problem in that area.  Has anyone had this problem?  

Thanks in advance for your help.

Ben and Austin


Re: Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Jim King
 

The tank should be vented so wouldn’t think it is an over-pressure issue.  I definitely can get smells from the vent when I use the aft head (electric flush pump).  In fact that is sometimes my clue to pump-out when the vent becomes shall we say “something a little wetter than smells”.

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lady Lillian
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 3:49 AM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [C400] Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

 

Are you opening the through hull when running the pump? if not you are just pressurizing the hose with no place for it to go.


Re: Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Tom Sokoloski
 

Ben,
I agree with everything that Christian said. I also replaced my holding tank hoses a couple of years ago, and the hose you are describing is continuous and the most difficult to replace. I also used one person pulling and one person pushing. Have you taken out the medicine cabinet in the aft head? Also the panel under the aft shower controls? Those two can give you a slightly better view of the hose in question. Is it possible that your vent hose is clogged, or has become dislodged from the hull fitting? 

Tom Soko
Juniper #307
Noank, CT
On the hard in Glastonbury, CT

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Juniper #307
Noank, CT


Re: Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Lady Lillian
 

Are you opening the through hull when running the pump? if not you are just pressurizing the hose with no place for it to go.


Re: Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

4speedfunk
 

That should be a continuous run of hose between the head and the tank, which makes your leak rather unusual.  Perhaps the hose has been cut or chafed somewhere behind the electrical panel?

I replaced all of my hoses a few years ago, and that piece was the most difficult.  I connected the new hose to the old one and pulled it in, as I pulled the old one out.  I pulled it forward (from the head to the tank).  This hose is mostly inaccessible and passes thru the busiest part of the boat.  It took two people pushing and pulling but I finally got it in.  Dawn soap on the hose made it slide easier.


Leak between Aft Head and holding tank

Ben Cage
 

Hello Group.

We just purchased "Jazzy", a 400-MkII, Hull number 306 a couple of months ago.  We previously owned a Catalina 28MkII and loved her, but we needed more space.  We were members of the 28 owners group and they were an incredibly helpful group of people and we were happy to join the 400 group and hope to meet some of you one day.

We are getting Jazzy ready for the Spring and noticed a leak (waste water) between the aft head and the aft head holding tank that's draining into the bilge.  After pulling wall panels, floor panels and running a few tests, we have found the leak coming from behind the wall under the chart table when we are running the aft Raritan head toilet pump.  After looking at the schematics, we are scratching our head trying to figure out how this is possible and what actions we can do to fix it.  We are contemplating replacing the holding tank hose but we aren't sure how that could be the problem in that area.  Has anyone had this problem?  

Thanks in advance for your help.

Ben and Austin

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