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Re: Impeller Change

Steve B. Losik <sblmd1@...>
 

Use a an electrical tie wrap and compress the blades (make sure in correct orientation) then it slides into the pump easily as the tie wrap comes off.

Steve
203


On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:46 AM Scotty <correa-mickel@...> wrote:
I also use this tool.  It is worth every penny.  On the JH3AE the pump is facing backwards, which makes the job really hard.  I have thought that I might fabricate a press that bolts onto the pump to press the new impeller on.



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Re: Impeller Change

Scotty <correa-mickel@...>
 

I also use this tool.  It is worth every penny.  On the JH3AE the pump is facing backwards, which makes the job really hard.  I have thought that I might fabricate a press that bolts onto the pump to press the new impeller on.


Re: [EXTERNAL] [C400] Impeller Change

nick walker
 

Hi all,

A few years ago, I opened the pump and found several blades missing so went looking.  I found them all, plus many more from POs losing blades all lodged in the inlet the oil cooler at the rear of the motor.  That's the first restriction after the pump and is before the cooling water exchanger.  Much easier to check by taking the hose off there rather than the end cap of the main heat exchanger too which is a bonus.

Cheers,
Nick.
Divided Sky, #232


From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> on behalf of Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...>
Sent: Monday, 28 June 2021 9:32 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [C400] Impeller Change
 
C400 Colleagues:

Yes, replacing the impeller on the C400 is a 'task from hell'. Every time I do it, I wonder who and how this 'set up' was designed and approved. Although, the Speedseal Cover makes removing and replacing the cover easier, it does not help in the  removal and replacement of the actual impeller. I use a set of 'hose pullers' to remove the old impeller. This year, I had to find a long stainless steel rod to use, with a hammer and block of wood to install the new impeller. It did not go on easily.  Contortions and 'boat yoga' were on full display. I know of no other way to change the 'set up' to make this routine maintenance procedure easier in the future.

BTW, if a couple of vanes (arms) were missing on your impeller, they're probably logged in the heat exchanger somewhere. ...might become an overheating problem in the future.

...any thoughts from others?

Regards,
Frank, SILVER EAGLE, #247

-----Original Message-----
From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Massey via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 10:38 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [C400] Impeller Change


>> Finally got motivated to change the impeller on my Yanmar which I had been hesitating to do because of the location. All I can say is whomever designed this deserves a special place in hell. Getting the cover off wasn’t too bad but the lack of visibility and leverage that seemed to be mutually exclusive made a 10 minute job on previous boats into a multi hour ordeal with my arms battered looking like I had defensive wounds. The impeller had a couple arms missing and I replaced and used a Speedseal cover kit I had bought previously for the occasion which should make future changes easier (together with a good dousing of grease on the spline). Runs about cooler 5 deg  with the improved flow and a potential problem averted
>>
>> I may well do an access port for easier access as a future mod











Re: [EXTERNAL] [C400] Impeller Change

Frank Falcone
 

C400 Colleagues:

Yes, replacing the impeller on the C400 is a 'task from hell'. Every time I do it, I wonder who and how this 'set up' was designed and approved. Although, the Speedseal Cover makes removing and replacing the cover easier, it does not help in the removal and replacement of the actual impeller. I use a set of 'hose pullers' to remove the old impeller. This year, I had to find a long stainless steel rod to use, with a hammer and block of wood to install the new impeller. It did not go on easily. Contortions and 'boat yoga' were on full display. I know of no other way to change the 'set up' to make this routine maintenance procedure easier in the future.

BTW, if a couple of vanes (arms) were missing on your impeller, they're probably logged in the heat exchanger somewhere. ...might become an overheating problem in the future.

...any thoughts from others?

Regards,
Frank, SILVER EAGLE, #247

-----Original Message-----
From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Massey via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 10:38 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [C400] Impeller Change


Finally got motivated to change the impeller on my Yanmar which I had been hesitating to do because of the location. All I can say is whomever designed this deserves a special place in hell. Getting the cover off wasn’t too bad but the lack of visibility and leverage that seemed to be mutually exclusive made a 10 minute job on previous boats into a multi hour ordeal with my arms battered looking like I had defensive wounds. The impeller had a couple arms missing and I replaced and used a Speedseal cover kit I had bought previously for the occasion which should make future changes easier (together with a good dousing of grease on the spline). Runs about cooler 5 deg with the improved flow and a potential problem averted

I may well do an access port for easier access as a future mod


Re: Impeller Change

Bret
 

I second Tom's suggestion.  I used to struggle with pliers, etc, but once I went to this little gizmo - everything was easy.  (Well, the "getting out" was easy - the putting the impeller back in is still tricky).

--
Bret
JoyRide, #205
Bellevue, WA


Re: Impeller Change

Andrew Massey
 

Great tip. My spares from Yanmar
have the threaded side - too bad I just installed it thread side in. Next time….

Pardon my spelling - sent from my iPhone


Re: Impeller Change

Tom Sokoloski
 

Andrew, 
One item which might make the impeller change slightly easier is this:
https://www.bayshoremarineengines.com/129671-92110yanmarimpellerbolt.aspx
It seems overpriced for what it is, but it works very well. You might have to change the impeller you are using (some have internal threads, some don't). I've been using this for a number of years, after struggling with needle nosed pliers, bent screw drivers, and anything else I could think of. Hope this helps. 
--
Tom Soko
Juniper #307
Noank, CT


Impeller Change

Andrew Massey
 

Finally got motivated to change the impeller on my Yanmar which I had been hesitating to do because of the location. All I can say is whomever designed this deserves a special place in hell. Getting the cover off wasn’t too bad but the lack of visibility and leverage that seemed to be mutually exclusive made a 10 minute job on previous boats into a multi hour ordeal with my arms battered looking like I had defensive wounds. The impeller had a couple arms missing and I replaced and used a Speedseal cover kit I had bought previously for the occasion which should make future changes easier (together with a good dousing of grease on the spline). Runs about cooler 5 deg with the improved flow and a potential problem averted

I may well do an access port for easier access as a future mod


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Frank Falcone
 

Hi Craig:

 

Your knowledge on this subject would be valuable to share. If you have the time (tough with a newborn in the home – congratulations!), please consider writing and submitting an article to me. I’ll send it in on to MAINSHEET for possible publication. We’ll all benefit from it!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Howard via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 4:14 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

I should've mentioned that I have a fin keel. And my #3 is a 105 if I remember correctly. I inherited the sail and had my sailmaker slightly adjust the clew. When I use the snatch blocks to adjust the angle of the leads for my big J0, yes they're on the toe rail.

 

I should also mention that I got the garhauer adjustable jib leads. So worth it. They make less difference on the inner tracks, but they do help twist off the top of the jib in heavy winds. My jib sheets go from the adjustable lead on the inner tracks, through the two fixed leads on the outer tracks, then to the winch. I do this to avoid the jib sheet chafing the cabin top. The adjustable cars are a *very* tight squeeze to get onto the inner tracks. I had to shave some metal off to get them on. The J0 avoids this entire setup. 

 

We've got a newborn in the house right now, but if there's interest, I'm happy to write up my setup with some pictures for the group and/or mainsheet. 

 

Craig

 

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 12:55 Ken <kdg_1@...> wrote:

Frank,

As you know, pointing ability is driven by sheeting angles and keel lift.  So with a #3 genoa and wing keel, you're giving up a lot.  Why not fall off and pick up boat speed probably better for VMG too.  The barber hauler most likely won't help you point higher but it will pull your leech down and you won't spill as much wind due to twist which is what you're most likely referring to as curve.  If you want to point as high as possible you'll have to use a headsail that can utilize the inner sail tracks like Craig mentioned.

Ken


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Craig Howard
 

I should've mentioned that I have a fin keel. And my #3 is a 105 if I remember correctly. I inherited the sail and had my sailmaker slightly adjust the clew. When I use the snatch blocks to adjust the angle of the leads for my big J0, yes they're on the toe rail.

I should also mention that I got the garhauer adjustable jib leads. So worth it. They make less difference on the inner tracks, but they do help twist off the top of the jib in heavy winds. My jib sheets go from the adjustable lead on the inner tracks, through the two fixed leads on the outer tracks, then to the winch. I do this to avoid the jib sheet chafing the cabin top. The adjustable cars are a *very* tight squeeze to get onto the inner tracks. I had to shave some metal off to get them on. The J0 avoids this entire setup. 

We've got a newborn in the house right now, but if there's interest, I'm happy to write up my setup with some pictures for the group and/or mainsheet. 

Craig

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 12:55 Ken <kdg_1@...> wrote:
Frank,

As you know, pointing ability is driven by sheeting angles and keel lift.  So with a #3 genoa and wing keel, you're giving up a lot.  Why not fall off and pick up boat speed probably better for VMG too.  The barber hauler most likely won't help you point higher but it will pull your leech down and you won't spill as much wind due to twist which is what you're most likely referring to as curve.  If you want to point as high as possible you'll have to use a headsail that can utilize the inner sail tracks like Craig mentioned.

Ken


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Frank Falcone
 

Hi Ken:

 

Yes, that other head sail will need to be, I guess, a 95% or 100% sail so as to use the inner tracks. Does that make sense? I’ve never used those inner tracks. I’d like to figure out how to use them effectively.

 

Regards,

Frank

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 3:53 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Frank,

As you know, pointing ability is driven by sheeting angles and keel lift.  So with a #3 genoa and wing keel, you're giving up a lot.  Why not fall off and pick up boat speed probably better for VMG too.  The barber hauler most likely won't help you point higher but it will pull your leech down and you won't spill as much wind due to twist which is what you're most likely referring to as curve.  If you want to point as high as possible you'll have to use a headsail that can utilize the inner sail tracks like Craig mentioned.

Ken


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Ken
 

Frank,

As you know, pointing ability is driven by sheeting angles and keel lift.  So with a #3 genoa and wing keel, you're giving up a lot.  Why not fall off and pick up boat speed probably better for VMG too.  The barber hauler most likely won't help you point higher but it will pull your leech down and you won't spill as much wind due to twist which is what you're most likely referring to as curve.  If you want to point as high as possible you'll have to use a headsail that can utilize the inner sail tracks like Craig mentioned.

Ken


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Frank Falcone
 

Hmmmmm?

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kim Chapman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 2:18 PM
To: c400 <c400@catalina400-445.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Or perhaps easing the leech line....

Kim

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kim Chapman <kim.chapman@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 2:15 PM

Have you tried tensioning the leech line ?

Cheers....

Kim

 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 12:14 PM

C400 Colleagues:

 

On the subject of head sails, 155s and 135s; it seems to me that no matter how I position the cars on the genoa tracks, the aft end of the 155 always ‘curls’ inward disrupting airflow and, thereby, decreasing sail efficiency. This occurs because the 155 is too big for the C400 when using the genoa tracks. I’m concluding that a 135 will not display this same ‘curled’ sail shape thereby increasing efficiency and boat speed.

 

HOWEVER, it also seems to me that there is a way to utilize the 155 efficiently aboard the C400. If we run the sheets from the sail directly to blocks mounted on the toe rails BEHIND the helm stations, then back to the primary winches, we will eliminate sail ‘curl’, achieve proper sail shape and, therefore, increase efficiency and boat speed. The additional sail area of the 155 can, then, be utilized effectively and efficiently aboard the C400. This procedure does not use the genoa tracks at all with the 155.

 

...looking forward to receiving ideas, thoughts, suggestions, input, etc.

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 2:30 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

No problem glad to help get members an up to date quote if interested.  The point of mitre vs cross cut is spot on. Manufacturers look at sails as line item on spreadsheet, the lower the price the bigger the bottom line. A crosscut sail stretches first time out of the bag because all panels are on the same bias. A mitre cut changes the bias on the main power panels so it holds shape better and stretches “less” over time.  But with this said, crosscut sails are faster and easier to run down the line and also have significantly less scrap. Hence the lower price for the manufacturer.  

 

If any of you have questions you can contact me off line at chiclasser1@... or call at five 8 five 7othree six3sixfor.  

Chic 


On Jun 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Chic:

 

Thanks so much for this important information!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 11:15 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Just as a reference point. Just sold a 135 headsail to one of the group 

7.77 oz challenge Marblehead premium Dacron cloth

Foam luff

Sunbrella UV

Mitre Cut vs Cross Cut

$3010 plus $30 S&H =$3040 No Sales Tax so net 

 

Tasker  has the largest loft in the world building sails offshore for just about everyone and doing it cheaply. In some cases the only thing on the sail that is Doyle or Quantum is the patch. You get what you pay for. Our sails are made in the USA in Stuart Fla.  

 

Candidly our problem is getting parts and material like every other business so we’re out 10 weeks on delivery. If you want something quick try Catalina direct but your getting a cheap production sail. But might work for you.

 

Best of luck. 

Chic Lasser 



On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:



Roger that!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:42 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Weight??

 

I do not remember the cloth weight.  I described my intended use and took his suggestion, sorry.

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM Alan Johnson via groups.io <alanwilliamjohnson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

For the price I paid for the custom sail it was a no brainer for me.  Recutting an older sail, still has old cloth and UV damaged thread.  

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Alan:

 

This is TERRIFIC information! Thank so much.

 

...your thoughts about trimming down a 155?

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:28 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Hi all

 

I have used Peter Conrad and he reps Sobsted Sails.  pgconrad99@....   I had him build several sails for me, a furling main and a jib and his quotes were great.  I have used his sails for a couple of years and the service and the sails have been great.  The jib he built was a radial design 135 Jib with foam at the foil and the foot of the sail was marked where to roll it up to for a 125 and a 100% size.  I cannot find the quote for the jib but as I remember it was about $2300 a little more than half the price quoted to me by my local North Sails loft at the time.  I have used the main for 4 years and it has performed well.  I could have gotten vertical battens but I chickened out.  I should have ordered it.

 

Alan J  Skol MK1 #130

 

 

 

  

05/06/17

ALAN JOHNSON

CATALINA 400 MKI

QUOTATION

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CLEW RADIAL VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN WARP

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

$1809 DELIVERED

 

OR

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CROSSCUT VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN FILL

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD WITH METAL CLEAT

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

 

$1660 DELIVERED

 

DELIVERY SCHEDULE – WITHIN 3 -4 WEKS OF DATE OF ORDER

TERMS – PAYMENT IN FULL REQUESTED VIA CREDIT CARD AT TIME

                 OF SHIPMENT

 

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:56 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

...not a bad price!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of 4speedfunk via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Okay...I dug around and found my paperwork from Rolly Tasker:

7.77oz Low Aspect Marblehead weave Roller Furling Genoa complete with foam luff, UV cover, camber stripes, tell tales and sail bag....$2797.00

This was from 11-18.  Took delivery in 3-19.

 


 


 


 


--
Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


 


--
Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Frank Falcone
 

Hi Kim:

 

Yes. That seems to take the ‘flutter’ out of the edge of the sail, but does not remove the ‘curl’.

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kim Chapman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 2:15 PM
To: c400 <c400@catalina400-445.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Have you tried tensioning the leech line ?

Cheers....

Kim

 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 12:14 PM

C400 Colleagues:

 

On the subject of head sails, 155s and 135s; it seems to me that no matter how I position the cars on the genoa tracks, the aft end of the 155 always ‘curls’ inward disrupting airflow and, thereby, decreasing sail efficiency. This occurs because the 155 is too big for the C400 when using the genoa tracks. I’m concluding that a 135 will not display this same ‘curled’ sail shape thereby increasing efficiency and boat speed.

 

HOWEVER, it also seems to me that there is a way to utilize the 155 efficiently aboard the C400. If we run the sheets from the sail directly to blocks mounted on the toe rails BEHIND the helm stations, then back to the primary winches, we will eliminate sail ‘curl’, achieve proper sail shape and, therefore, increase efficiency and boat speed. The additional sail area of the 155 can, then, be utilized effectively and efficiently aboard the C400. This procedure does not use the genoa tracks at all with the 155.

 

...looking forward to receiving ideas, thoughts, suggestions, input, etc.

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 2:30 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

No problem glad to help get members an up to date quote if interested.  The point of mitre vs cross cut is spot on. Manufacturers look at sails as line item on spreadsheet, the lower the price the bigger the bottom line. A crosscut sail stretches first time out of the bag because all panels are on the same bias. A mitre cut changes the bias on the main power panels so it holds shape better and stretches “less” over time.  But with this said, crosscut sails are faster and easier to run down the line and also have significantly less scrap. Hence the lower price for the manufacturer.  

 

If any of you have questions you can contact me off line at chiclasser1@... or call at five 8 five 7othree six3sixfor.  

Chic 


On Jun 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Chic:

 

Thanks so much for this important information!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 11:15 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Just as a reference point. Just sold a 135 headsail to one of the group 

7.77 oz challenge Marblehead premium Dacron cloth

Foam luff

Sunbrella UV

Mitre Cut vs Cross Cut

$3010 plus $30 S&H =$3040 No Sales Tax so net 

 

Tasker  has the largest loft in the world building sails offshore for just about everyone and doing it cheaply. In some cases the only thing on the sail that is Doyle or Quantum is the patch. You get what you pay for. Our sails are made in the USA in Stuart Fla.  

 

Candidly our problem is getting parts and material like every other business so we’re out 10 weeks on delivery. If you want something quick try Catalina direct but your getting a cheap production sail. But might work for you.

 

Best of luck. 

Chic Lasser 



On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:



Roger that!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:42 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Weight??

 

I do not remember the cloth weight.  I described my intended use and took his suggestion, sorry.

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM Alan Johnson via groups.io <alanwilliamjohnson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

For the price I paid for the custom sail it was a no brainer for me.  Recutting an older sail, still has old cloth and UV damaged thread.  

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Alan:

 

This is TERRIFIC information! Thank so much.

 

...your thoughts about trimming down a 155?

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:28 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Hi all

 

I have used Peter Conrad and he reps Sobsted Sails.  pgconrad99@....   I had him build several sails for me, a furling main and a jib and his quotes were great.  I have used his sails for a couple of years and the service and the sails have been great.  The jib he built was a radial design 135 Jib with foam at the foil and the foot of the sail was marked where to roll it up to for a 125 and a 100% size.  I cannot find the quote for the jib but as I remember it was about $2300 a little more than half the price quoted to me by my local North Sails loft at the time.  I have used the main for 4 years and it has performed well.  I could have gotten vertical battens but I chickened out.  I should have ordered it.

 

Alan J  Skol MK1 #130

 

 

 

  

05/06/17

ALAN JOHNSON

CATALINA 400 MKI

QUOTATION

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CLEW RADIAL VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN WARP

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

$1809 DELIVERED

 

OR

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CROSSCUT VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN FILL

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD WITH METAL CLEAT

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

 

$1660 DELIVERED

 

DELIVERY SCHEDULE – WITHIN 3 -4 WEKS OF DATE OF ORDER

TERMS – PAYMENT IN FULL REQUESTED VIA CREDIT CARD AT TIME

                 OF SHIPMENT

 

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:56 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

...not a bad price!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of 4speedfunk via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Okay...I dug around and found my paperwork from Rolly Tasker:

7.77oz Low Aspect Marblehead weave Roller Furling Genoa complete with foam luff, UV cover, camber stripes, tell tales and sail bag....$2797.00

This was from 11-18.  Took delivery in 3-19.

 


 


 


--
Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Frank Falcone
 

Are the snatch blocks attached directly to the toe rails?

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 1:40 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Craig,

That sounds like a great setup especially since you can use the inner tracks for upwind.  Those snatch blocks further up the toe rail are what I referred to as a barber hauler.

Ken


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Frank Falcone
 

…excellent input and guidance, Craig. Thanks so much!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Howard via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 1:20 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

I also bought my sailboat to sail and hate when I have to turn on the engine.  However, I went a similar, but different route.  I sail in Puget Sound, which my sailmaker describes as "sailing in a hallway".  We're either going straight upwind or straight downwind.  The summer tends to be pretty light and the offseason can be pretty windy, although there are frequent exceptions.  I also sail short handed, so I know I won't do a full headsail change frequently.

 

So, I actually have my #3 rigged on the furler and sheeted to the inner tracks.  With this sail, once I hit around 10 or 12 knots true, I find that my boat speed is almost as good as with my #1, but I point a bit higher.  I haven't done any real hardcore analysis, but it feels like my VMG is better upwind.  For downwind the previous owner installed a selden removable sprit and I fly an A2 out of a sock when it's 3-20 knots.  (I also have an A3, from the previous owner, which I rarely use.)  Once we're past 20 knots true, I'm fine with white sails.

 

So, that leaves the light upwind work.  I reinforced the sprit with a bobstay and had my sailmaker make a "J0".  Since I don't race my boat, I ignored all the rating rules and the sail is cut like a genoa that's 155 measured with the sprit.  It sheets back by the stern mooring cleats and I can adjust the lead with snatch blocks further up the toe rail.  I find I can sail 50-55 degrees true with this sail, and the boat will get moving in 3-4 knots of true wind.  It really shines in about 8 knots true.  This sail's on a furler, which makes it easy to hoist and douse short handed.  The main downside is that I have to furl to tack.

 

I'm sure this isn't the optimal approach for speed, but I find it's a good compromise for how I use the boat.  The #3 works in all conditions that I see, but I can relatively easily add the J0 when the conditions are right and I'm willing to deal with the extra rigging.

 

Craig

 

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:14 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

C400 Colleagues:

 

On the subject of head sails, 155s and 135s; it seems to me that no matter how I position the cars on the genoa tracks, the aft end of the 155 always ‘curls’ inward disrupting airflow and, thereby, decreasing sail efficiency. This occurs because the 155 is too big for the C400 when using the genoa tracks. I’m concluding that a 135 will not display this same ‘curled’ sail shape thereby increasing efficiency and boat speed.

 

HOWEVER, it also seems to me that there is a way to utilize the 155 efficiently aboard the C400. If we run the sheets from the sail directly to blocks mounted on the toe rails BEHIND the helm stations, then back to the primary winches, we will eliminate sail ‘curl’, achieve proper sail shape and, therefore, increase efficiency and boat speed. The additional sail area of the 155 can, then, be utilized effectively and efficiently aboard the C400. This procedure does not use the genoa tracks at all with the 155.

 

…looking forward to receiving ideas, thoughts, suggestions, input, etc.

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 2:30 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

No problem glad to help get members an up to date quote if interested.  The point of mitre vs cross cut is spot on. Manufacturers look at sails as line item on spreadsheet, the lower the price the bigger the bottom line. A crosscut sail stretches first time out of the bag because all panels are on the same bias. A mitre cut changes the bias on the main power panels so it holds shape better and stretches “less” over time.  But with this said, crosscut sails are faster and easier to run down the line and also have significantly less scrap. Hence the lower price for the manufacturer.  

 

If any of you have questions you can contact me off line at chiclasser1@... or call at five 8 five 7othree six3sixfor.  

Chic 


On Jun 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Chic:

 

Thanks so much for this important information!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 11:15 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Just as a reference point. Just sold a 135 headsail to one of the group 

7.77 oz challenge Marblehead premium Dacron cloth

Foam luff

Sunbrella UV

Mitre Cut vs Cross Cut

$3010 plus $30 S&H =$3040 No Sales Tax so net 

 

Tasker  has the largest loft in the world building sails offshore for just about everyone and doing it cheaply. In some cases the only thing on the sail that is Doyle or Quantum is the patch. You get what you pay for. Our sails are made in the USA in Stuart Fla.  

 

Candidly our problem is getting parts and material like every other business so we’re out 10 weeks on delivery. If you want something quick try Catalina direct but your getting a cheap production sail. But might work for you.

 

Best of luck. 

Chic Lasser 



On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:



Roger that!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:42 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Weight??

 

I do not remember the cloth weight.  I described my intended use and took his suggestion, sorry.

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM Alan Johnson via groups.io <alanwilliamjohnson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

For the price I paid for the custom sail it was a no brainer for me.  Recutting an older sail, still has old cloth and UV damaged thread.  

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Alan:

 

This is TERRIFIC information! Thank so much.

 

…your thoughts about trimming down a 155?

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:28 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Hi all

 

I have used Peter Conrad and he reps Sobsted Sails.  pgconrad99@....   I had him build several sails for me, a furling main and a jib and his quotes were great.  I have used his sails for a couple of years and the service and the sails have been great.  The jib he built was a radial design 135 Jib with foam at the foil and the foot of the sail was marked where to roll it up to for a 125 and a 100% size.  I cannot find the quote for the jib but as I remember it was about $2300 a little more than half the price quoted to me by my local North Sails loft at the time.  I have used the main for 4 years and it has performed well.  I could have gotten vertical battens but I chickened out.  I should have ordered it.

 

Alan J  Skol MK1 #130

 

 

 

  

05/06/17

ALAN JOHNSON

CATALINA 400 MKI

QUOTATION

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CLEW RADIAL VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN WARP

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

$1809 DELIVERED

 

OR

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CROSSCUT VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN FILL

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD WITH METAL CLEAT

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

 

$1660 DELIVERED

 

DELIVERY SCHEDULE – WITHIN 3 -4 WEKS OF DATE OF ORDER

TERMS – PAYMENT IN FULL REQUESTED VIA CREDIT CARD AT TIME

                 OF SHIPMENT

 

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:56 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

…not a bad price!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of 4speedfunk via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Okay…I dug around and found my paperwork from Rolly Tasker:

7.77oz Low Aspect Marblehead weave Roller Furling Genoa complete with foam luff, UV cover, camber stripes, tell tales and sail bag….$2797.00

This was from 11-18.  Took delivery in 3-19.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Frank Falcone
 

Hi Ken:

 

Thanks for your input. Also, without using the genoa tracks, it’ll be harder for the 155 to be efficient when attempting to point high. For apparent wind angles less than about 60 degrees, it’ll be difficult to trim the sail. For ‘pointing’ situations, the genoa tracks will be required. Is it possible to have 2 sheets on the 155 at the same time; one going through the rail mounted blocks and the other going through the genoa track cars? The appropriate sheet could be used depending on apparent wind  angle. Could a barber hauler be used effectively instead for ‘pointing’ the 155?

 

….looking forward to receiving input!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 12:57 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Frank,

What you suggest will work but you'll probably need a barber hauler as well to properly trim the headsail.  Pulling from that far aft will mostly tension the foot, the barber hauler will tension the leech.

Ken


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Kim Chapman
 

Or perhaps easing the leech line....

Kim

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kim Chapman <kim.chapman@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 2:15 PM

Have you tried tensioning the leech line ?

Cheers....

Kim


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 12:14 PM

C400 Colleagues:

 

On the subject of head sails, 155s and 135s; it seems to me that no matter how I position the cars on the genoa tracks, the aft end of the 155 always ‘curls’ inward disrupting airflow and, thereby, decreasing sail efficiency. This occurs because the 155 is too big for the C400 when using the genoa tracks. I’m concluding that a 135 will not display this same ‘curled’ sail shape thereby increasing efficiency and boat speed.

 

HOWEVER, it also seems to me that there is a way to utilize the 155 efficiently aboard the C400. If we run the sheets from the sail directly to blocks mounted on the toe rails BEHIND the helm stations, then back to the primary winches, we will eliminate sail ‘curl’, achieve proper sail shape and, therefore, increase efficiency and boat speed. The additional sail area of the 155 can, then, be utilized effectively and efficiently aboard the C400. This procedure does not use the genoa tracks at all with the 155.

 

...looking forward to receiving ideas, thoughts, suggestions, input, etc.

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 2:30 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

No problem glad to help get members an up to date quote if interested.  The point of mitre vs cross cut is spot on. Manufacturers look at sails as line item on spreadsheet, the lower the price the bigger the bottom line. A crosscut sail stretches first time out of the bag because all panels are on the same bias. A mitre cut changes the bias on the main power panels so it holds shape better and stretches “less” over time.  But with this said, crosscut sails are faster and easier to run down the line and also have significantly less scrap. Hence the lower price for the manufacturer.  

 

If any of you have questions you can contact me off line at chiclasser1@... or call at five 8 five 7othree six3sixfor.  

Chic 


On Jun 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Chic:

 

Thanks so much for this important information!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 11:15 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Just as a reference point. Just sold a 135 headsail to one of the group 

7.77 oz challenge Marblehead premium Dacron cloth

Foam luff

Sunbrella UV

Mitre Cut vs Cross Cut

$3010 plus $30 S&H =$3040 No Sales Tax so net 

 

Tasker  has the largest loft in the world building sails offshore for just about everyone and doing it cheaply. In some cases the only thing on the sail that is Doyle or Quantum is the patch. You get what you pay for. Our sails are made in the USA in Stuart Fla.  

 

Candidly our problem is getting parts and material like every other business so we’re out 10 weeks on delivery. If you want something quick try Catalina direct but your getting a cheap production sail. But might work for you.

 

Best of luck. 

Chic Lasser 




On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:



Roger that!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:42 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Weight??

 

I do not remember the cloth weight.  I described my intended use and took his suggestion, sorry.

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM Alan Johnson via groups.io <alanwilliamjohnson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

For the price I paid for the custom sail it was a no brainer for me.  Recutting an older sail, still has old cloth and UV damaged thread.  

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Alan:

 

This is TERRIFIC information! Thank so much.

 

...your thoughts about trimming down a 155?

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:28 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Hi all

 

I have used Peter Conrad and he reps Sobsted Sails.  pgconrad99@....   I had him build several sails for me, a furling main and a jib and his quotes were great.  I have used his sails for a couple of years and the service and the sails have been great.  The jib he built was a radial design 135 Jib with foam at the foil and the foot of the sail was marked where to roll it up to for a 125 and a 100% size.  I cannot find the quote for the jib but as I remember it was about $2300 a little more than half the price quoted to me by my local North Sails loft at the time.  I have used the main for 4 years and it has performed well.  I could have gotten vertical battens but I chickened out.  I should have ordered it.

 

Alan J  Skol MK1 #130

 

 

 

  

05/06/17

ALAN JOHNSON

CATALINA 400 MKI

QUOTATION

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CLEW RADIAL VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN WARP

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

$1809 DELIVERED

 

OR

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CROSSCUT VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN FILL

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD WITH METAL CLEAT

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

 

$1660 DELIVERED

 

DELIVERY SCHEDULE – WITHIN 3 -4 WEKS OF DATE OF ORDER

TERMS – PAYMENT IN FULL REQUESTED VIA CREDIT CARD AT TIME

                 OF SHIPMENT

 

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:56 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

...not a bad price!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of 4speedfunk via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Okay...I dug around and found my paperwork from Rolly Tasker:

7.77oz Low Aspect Marblehead weave Roller Furling Genoa complete with foam luff, UV cover, camber stripes, tell tales and sail bag....$2797.00

This was from 11-18.  Took delivery in 3-19.

 


 


 


 


--
Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


 


--
Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Kim Chapman
 

Have you tried tensioning the leech line ?

Cheers....

Kim


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 12:14 PM

C400 Colleagues:

 

On the subject of head sails, 155s and 135s; it seems to me that no matter how I position the cars on the genoa tracks, the aft end of the 155 always ‘curls’ inward disrupting airflow and, thereby, decreasing sail efficiency. This occurs because the 155 is too big for the C400 when using the genoa tracks. I’m concluding that a 135 will not display this same ‘curled’ sail shape thereby increasing efficiency and boat speed.

 

HOWEVER, it also seems to me that there is a way to utilize the 155 efficiently aboard the C400. If we run the sheets from the sail directly to blocks mounted on the toe rails BEHIND the helm stations, then back to the primary winches, we will eliminate sail ‘curl’, achieve proper sail shape and, therefore, increase efficiency and boat speed. The additional sail area of the 155 can, then, be utilized effectively and efficiently aboard the C400. This procedure does not use the genoa tracks at all with the 155.

 

...looking forward to receiving ideas, thoughts, suggestions, input, etc.

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 2:30 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

No problem glad to help get members an up to date quote if interested.  The point of mitre vs cross cut is spot on. Manufacturers look at sails as line item on spreadsheet, the lower the price the bigger the bottom line. A crosscut sail stretches first time out of the bag because all panels are on the same bias. A mitre cut changes the bias on the main power panels so it holds shape better and stretches “less” over time.  But with this said, crosscut sails are faster and easier to run down the line and also have significantly less scrap. Hence the lower price for the manufacturer.  

 

If any of you have questions you can contact me off line at chiclasser1@... or call at five 8 five 7othree six3sixfor.  

Chic 


On Jun 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Chic:

 

Thanks so much for this important information!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 11:15 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Just as a reference point. Just sold a 135 headsail to one of the group 

7.77 oz challenge Marblehead premium Dacron cloth

Foam luff

Sunbrella UV

Mitre Cut vs Cross Cut

$3010 plus $30 S&H =$3040 No Sales Tax so net 

 

Tasker  has the largest loft in the world building sails offshore for just about everyone and doing it cheaply. In some cases the only thing on the sail that is Doyle or Quantum is the patch. You get what you pay for. Our sails are made in the USA in Stuart Fla.  

 

Candidly our problem is getting parts and material like every other business so we’re out 10 weeks on delivery. If you want something quick try Catalina direct but your getting a cheap production sail. But might work for you.

 

Best of luck. 

Chic Lasser 




On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:



Roger that!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:42 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Weight??

 

I do not remember the cloth weight.  I described my intended use and took his suggestion, sorry.

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM Alan Johnson via groups.io <alanwilliamjohnson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

For the price I paid for the custom sail it was a no brainer for me.  Recutting an older sail, still has old cloth and UV damaged thread.  

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Alan:

 

This is TERRIFIC information! Thank so much.

 

...your thoughts about trimming down a 155?

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:28 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Hi all

 

I have used Peter Conrad and he reps Sobsted Sails.  pgconrad99@....   I had him build several sails for me, a furling main and a jib and his quotes were great.  I have used his sails for a couple of years and the service and the sails have been great.  The jib he built was a radial design 135 Jib with foam at the foil and the foot of the sail was marked where to roll it up to for a 125 and a 100% size.  I cannot find the quote for the jib but as I remember it was about $2300 a little more than half the price quoted to me by my local North Sails loft at the time.  I have used the main for 4 years and it has performed well.  I could have gotten vertical battens but I chickened out.  I should have ordered it.

 

Alan J  Skol MK1 #130

 

 

 

  

05/06/17

ALAN JOHNSON

CATALINA 400 MKI

QUOTATION

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CLEW RADIAL VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN WARP

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

$1809 DELIVERED

 

OR

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CROSSCUT VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN FILL

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD WITH METAL CLEAT

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

 

$1660 DELIVERED

 

DELIVERY SCHEDULE – WITHIN 3 -4 WEKS OF DATE OF ORDER

TERMS – PAYMENT IN FULL REQUESTED VIA CREDIT CARD AT TIME

                 OF SHIPMENT

 

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:56 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

...not a bad price!

 

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Okay...I dug around and found my paperwork from Rolly Tasker:

7.77oz Low Aspect Marblehead weave Roller Furling Genoa complete with foam luff, UV cover, camber stripes, tell tales and sail bag....$2797.00

This was from 11-18.  Took delivery in 3-19.

 


 


 


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Kim Chapman
Quiescence
C400-249


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

Ken
 

Craig,

That sounds like a great setup especially since you can use the inner tracks for upwind.  Those snatch blocks further up the toe rail are what I referred to as a barber hauler.

Ken

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