Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail


Frank Falcone
 

Hmmmmm?

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kim Chapman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 2:18 PM
To: c400 <c400@catalina400-445.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Or perhaps easing the leech line....

Kim

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kim Chapman <kim.chapman@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 2:15 PM

Have you tried tensioning the leech line ?

Cheers....

Kim

 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...>
Date: June 22, 2021 at 12:14 PM

C400 Colleagues:

 

On the subject of head sails, 155s and 135s; it seems to me that no matter how I position the cars on the genoa tracks, the aft end of the 155 always ‘curls’ inward disrupting airflow and, thereby, decreasing sail efficiency. This occurs because the 155 is too big for the C400 when using the genoa tracks. I’m concluding that a 135 will not display this same ‘curled’ sail shape thereby increasing efficiency and boat speed.

 

HOWEVER, it also seems to me that there is a way to utilize the 155 efficiently aboard the C400. If we run the sheets from the sail directly to blocks mounted on the toe rails BEHIND the helm stations, then back to the primary winches, we will eliminate sail ‘curl’, achieve proper sail shape and, therefore, increase efficiency and boat speed. The additional sail area of the 155 can, then, be utilized effectively and efficiently aboard the C400. This procedure does not use the genoa tracks at all with the 155.

 

...looking forward to receiving ideas, thoughts, suggestions, input, etc.

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 2:30 PM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

No problem glad to help get members an up to date quote if interested.  The point of mitre vs cross cut is spot on. Manufacturers look at sails as line item on spreadsheet, the lower the price the bigger the bottom line. A crosscut sail stretches first time out of the bag because all panels are on the same bias. A mitre cut changes the bias on the main power panels so it holds shape better and stretches “less” over time.  But with this said, crosscut sails are faster and easier to run down the line and also have significantly less scrap. Hence the lower price for the manufacturer.  

 

If any of you have questions you can contact me off line at chiclasser1@... or call at five 8 five 7othree six3sixfor.  

Chic 


On Jun 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Chic:

 

Thanks so much for this important information!

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

SILVER EAGLE

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of chic lasser via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 11:15 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Just as a reference point. Just sold a 135 headsail to one of the group 

7.77 oz challenge Marblehead premium Dacron cloth

Foam luff

Sunbrella UV

Mitre Cut vs Cross Cut

$3010 plus $30 S&H =$3040 No Sales Tax so net 

 

Tasker  has the largest loft in the world building sails offshore for just about everyone and doing it cheaply. In some cases the only thing on the sail that is Doyle or Quantum is the patch. You get what you pay for. Our sails are made in the USA in Stuart Fla.  

 

Candidly our problem is getting parts and material like every other business so we’re out 10 weeks on delivery. If you want something quick try Catalina direct but your getting a cheap production sail. But might work for you.

 

Best of luck. 

Chic Lasser 



On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:



Roger that!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:42 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Weight??

 

I do not remember the cloth weight.  I described my intended use and took his suggestion, sorry.

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM Alan Johnson via groups.io <alanwilliamjohnson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

For the price I paid for the custom sail it was a no brainer for me.  Recutting an older sail, still has old cloth and UV damaged thread.  

 

Alan J  #130

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

Hi Alan:

 

This is TERRIFIC information! Thank so much.

 

...your thoughts about trimming down a 155?

 

Regards,

Frank, #247

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Johnson via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:28 AM
To: C400@catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Hi all

 

I have used Peter Conrad and he reps Sobsted Sails.  pgconrad99@....   I had him build several sails for me, a furling main and a jib and his quotes were great.  I have used his sails for a couple of years and the service and the sails have been great.  The jib he built was a radial design 135 Jib with foam at the foil and the foot of the sail was marked where to roll it up to for a 125 and a 100% size.  I cannot find the quote for the jib but as I remember it was about $2300 a little more than half the price quoted to me by my local North Sails loft at the time.  I have used the main for 4 years and it has performed well.  I could have gotten vertical battens but I chickened out.  I should have ordered it.

 

Alan J  Skol MK1 #130

 

 

 

  

05/06/17

ALAN JOHNSON

CATALINA 400 MKI

QUOTATION

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CLEW RADIAL VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN WARP

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

$1809 DELIVERED

 

OR

 

FURLING MAINSAIL

P=47.00/14.33

E=17.00/5.18

CROSSCUT VERSION

SAIL SKIN – CHALLENGE 9.3 OZ WOVEN DACRON USED IN FILL

                     DIRECTION

ALUMINUM CLEW BLOCK

UV PROTECTION BOTH SIDES CLEW

LEECH CORD WITH METAL CLEAT

LEADING EDGE FOR Z SPAR MAST

SPECTRA WEBBING LOOPS HEAD, TACK

TRAILING EDGE TELLTALES

DRAWSTRING BAG

 

$1660 DELIVERED

 

DELIVERY SCHEDULE – WITHIN 3 -4 WEKS OF DATE OF ORDER

TERMS – PAYMENT IN FULL REQUESTED VIA CREDIT CARD AT TIME

                 OF SHIPMENT

 

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:56 AM Frank Falcone <frank.falcone@...> wrote:

...not a bad price!

 

From: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io <C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io> On Behalf Of 4speedfunk via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: C400@Catalina400-445.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [C400] Catalina 400 - interested in new or used 135 Genoa sail

 

Okay...I dug around and found my paperwork from Rolly Tasker:

7.77oz Low Aspect Marblehead weave Roller Furling Genoa complete with foam luff, UV cover, camber stripes, tell tales and sail bag....$2797.00

This was from 11-18.  Took delivery in 3-19.

 


 


 


 


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